Time remaining question

Michael C.

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Why when you have an empty 15GB SDHC card that tells you you have 48.11 hours of recording time all the sudden drop to 6.48 hours the second you press any channel to record? This actually happens with an SDHC card of any size. Is there an accurate way of know how much recording time you can really expect to get?

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Mike
 
I have my DP24 a few days ago, and I've noticed the same issue. In my case, with a 32Gb SDHC card, I'd have 100 hours of recording, but when I press the "REC" button in one channel, it drops to 6:49h...

I suppose it is normal but it will be fantastic if someone could confirm that... :)
 
Just a hunch, but individual tracks are stored in separate wave files so maybe it's due to file size limit on FAT file system (4GB on FAT32 cards). When no tracks are armed, it just calculates rem time based on sample rate, bit depth and total SD size. Once you start arming tracks, it can give a proper estimate allowing for the size limit for each track. I would guess you could arm more & more tracks and the rem time won't change until the total no. of 4GB chunks reaches the max size of the card.
 
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I was thinking the same... Thank you for your help!
 
Phil Tipping: I was part of a vocal trio back in high school during.the 60s. We are having our 50 year reunion in May. We want to lay 3 main vocals down and clone those 3 with a touch of delay. Track 23/24 will be soundtracks of songs we used to do (James Taylor, C,S &N, John Denver, ect). Maybe 10-12 songs total. Each soundtrack is averaging 35mb each in the Audio Depot. Using a 32gb SDHC card, it shows approx 100 minutes. How do I determine total data recorded versus enough storage for all the songs and vocals? Don Hennig
 
Don, the tutorial videos explain how the size reqd depends on the song quality settings. You can work out how many megabytes are reqd for each minute of track, so you can multiply this by the no. of tracks to get the total size reqd. If you want to do the sums yourself, a 24-bit 48KHz song needs (3 x 48000) bytes per second for every mono track (double this for stereo). A 16-bit 44.1KHz song needs (2 x 44100) bytes per second.

AudioDepot is only used for exporting/importing tracks to/from a computer. The file sizes here should equate to the above, but they aren't actually used for the song so can be deleted to make more space.

The space used by the current song is shown in Menu, Information, along with how much free space is available on the card. You can also see the sizes for all songs in the song list when you press Menu, Song. The final column can be cycled through the size and quality settings by pressing one of the Function buttons.

The time remaining shown at the top of the Home screen is only meaningful when you arm at least one track, so if you arm all the tracks you are going to use, this will be an accurate estimate, allowing for the limit on each track which is imposed by the way files are stored on the card - no file can be larger than 4GB so no matter how much space you have, this will limit the length of each track. If you do not arm any tracks, the time remaining value is just based on the above calculation and assumes one mono track with no size limit, so will usually be a much higher value.
 
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That's quite interesting I guess then that certainly makes mastering an entire full length album on any of these machines technologically impossible.
 
But the media is replaceable. Pop the next SD card in and keep going.
 
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I'm confused. My 32g sd card has less than 4Gb of data on it. But it says 'error card full'
I understand it's hit and miss with the time remaining display, but card fill at under 4Gb ? Something not right.
Anyhow I've moved songs to my pc using audio depot but I'd like to know what's going on .

Cheers in advance.
 
Where did you see the 4GB value? The free space should be correct in the Menu, Information screen.
it's hit and miss with the time remaining display
The time remaining oddity is due to the machine not knowing what you plan to record unless you arm tracks first.
If no tracks are armed, it calculates time remaining based on a continuous mono track filling the card, which for 32GB gives approx 96 hours.
Once you start arming tracks, it can give a proper estimate but it also takes into account a limitation with the FAT file storage system used on sd-cards, which limits the max file size to 4GB (on larger cards; 2GB on very small ones).
As you arm more & more tracks, the remaining time won't change as the limit is due to these file limits. Once the remaining space on the card drops below 4GB, the time remaining should decrease.
Edit: just realised all this is in an earlier post - sorry :oops:
 
The time remaining oddity is due to the machine not knowing what you plan to record unless you arm tracks first.
My 1st-gen DP-32 does this too.

And I thought I was stewpyd...my DP can't even tell time!!!o_O:rolleyes:
 
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Not as bad as copy/pasting your own post from the same thread without realising :rolleyes::D
Maybe not. But "old & stewpyd" is my excuse, and I'm sticking to it...:p
 
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Where did you see the 4GB value? The free space should be correct in the Menu, Information screen.

INFO
Total Song 7
Total Size 3.6Gb
Remain Size 2.3Gb.....

brand new out of the box

system version 1.11 0030

where's the other 26Gb ?
 
where's the other 26Gb ?
That's quite a poser. Haven't heard of all that space just disappearing.
Don't take my word for it - I ain't no rocket surgeon - but when stuff like this happens w/tech gear (I'm referring mostly to computers), I tend to go the reboot/refresh/reload/whatever route - in this case, it'd be:
  • backup the songs
  • format the card (IN the DP-xx)
  • check it again - if the space is back, you're fixed up; if it isn't, you might have a bad card. SD cards aren't exactly bullet-proof technology.
  • Reload your songs - either to the re-formatted card, or a new one...
 
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Total Size 3.6Gb
This is the size of the card which the machine thinks is inserted. You've ruled out a firmware issue as it's running the latest, so either the machine has mis-read it or as shredd said, the card is faulty or it's really a 4GB one with a fake label. If a full reformat in the DP stills shows a very low value (my 32GB card shows approx 28GB total, but that's expected). If that fails, connect it to a PC and see what it thinks the size is.
 
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its the one that shipped. It beggars belief that I have a bunch of 128, 256 and 512 cards lying around unused that I can't put in the machine.......
 
Fake memorycards are common especially when bought online.
I try to shop from brick and mortar stores like camera or other specialist stores. They have their reputation to think of and will (most likely) not deal with fake stuff. And should I get a faulty card I can just go back and get a new one without any problems.

Btw - as a musician, specifically a guitarist - I’m starting to see this problem when it comes to strings too.

 
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its the one that shipped. LOGRINN: "Are you sure your problem is with a 32GB card?"
I think Phil T (as usual) is on the money...although a XXGB capacity card always shows slightly less (due to the math of how much a GB actually is), it's pretty minor. Your problem is waaaay bigger and definitely suggests either a bad card or a fake. Try the thing about reading it in a puter.
And - IIRC - DP's ship with a 4GB card!

Yes - the DP-xx's will only read a card up to 32GB...so those monster cards won't help you.

The good news is a 32GB card is not THAT costly. I dunno about Down Under, but in the US, the "normal-speed" ones can be had used for about US$10-12...I myself got 2 SanDisk (best brand) super-duper maximim-highspeed 32GB's for about US$30 each. They're GREAT - reallllly fast...that matters to my workflow.
 
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